amp talk

[threevi]

i know kids who have been asking me about cheap tube heads, and i'm sick of refering them to windsors or valve kings just because they can't afford anything decent.

anyone have any ideas i can tell these people? because as you all know lately i've been stuck on my marshall kick and unless someone gets lucky like i did, they're not gonna get a GOOD marshall or other high end amp for cheap.

what are some LOUD 100w all tube amps that aren't total pieces of shit that can be found for cheap? [in your opinions...]

[jimbo]

I've been wondering this. I want a more versatile amp then my randall. It only sounds good for one tone, at one volume, and nothing else.

[threevi]

just for the record, the volume difference of a 50 watt verses a 100 watt really IS NOT just a couple db.

my jcm 800 is loud, but no where near as loud as my jcm 2000 was.
thankfully, i have good tone, and not a screeching pile of dying bats.

[ian geiger]

carvin x100b
peavey vtm 60/120
peavey butcher (essentially same as vtms)
sovtek mig 50/60/100
laney protube aor 100

[wesleyisawake]

Apr 26, 2009 14:01:54 GMT -5 ian geiger said:

carvin x100b
peavey vtm 60/120
peavey butcher (essentially same as vtms)
sovtek mig 50/60/100
laney protube aor 100

This.

[moonmoon]

Apr 26, 2009 15:50:00 GMT -5 wesleyisawake said:

Apr 26, 2009 14:01:54 GMT -5 ian geiger said:

carvin x100b
peavey vtm 60/120
peavey butcher (essentially same as vtms)
sovtek mig 50/60/100
laney protube aor 100

This.

I third this. my exact thoughts. especially the butcher, vtms, and sovteks.

[joshjoshjosh]

if were including used, then Traynor YBA's are always a good price for a great tube amp when you can find them. as for new... i dont even really know one i would recommend

[jimbo]

I REALLY want a vtm120. Levi buy my half stack!

[threevi]

Apr 26, 2009 20:07:02 GMT -5 jimbo said:

I REALLY want a vtm120. Levi buy my half stack!

eff that, i found a mesa boogie mark III 2x12 combo that i'm selling my entire bass rig to be able to afford.

i'm officially going to be finished as a live bass player for a while and stay strictly with guitar.

imagine running that thing through a 4x12.

3/4 stacks ftw.

[threevi]

Apr 26, 2009 14:01:54 GMT -5 ian geiger said:

carvin x100b
peavey vtm 60/120
peavey butcher (essentially same as vtms)
sovtek mig 50/60/100
laney protube aor 100

i've been telling people that sovteks are amazing, but all these kids are like "THERE NO LOW END!" and i'm always like "GET A REAL FUCKING BASS PLAYER!"

[rob]

real fast:

the decibel difference between 100w and 200w is almost inaudible. it's something like 3 decibels. the difference between 50 and 100 is pretty significant, but much more than 50w tube is pretty pointless for most music.

also, solid state heads fucking rule.

[Parker]

I always thought SOVTEKS had massive amounts of low end?

[moonmoon]

Apr 27, 2009 8:56:52 GMT -5 Parker said:

I always thought SOVTEKS had massive amounts of low end?

my mig 100 has a lot of low end.

[threevi]

Apr 27, 2009 0:56:03 GMT -5 rob said:

real fast:

the decibel difference between 100w and 200w is almost inaudible. it's something like 3 decibels. the difference between 50 and 100 is pretty significant, but much more than 50w tube is pretty pointless for most music.

also, solid state heads fucking rule.

i enjoy owning an amp that is perfect for a live mic'd situation, small house shows, and studio recording. aka 50w tube heads/combos and 100w solidstate heads.

trying to convince other people of that though is like trying to suck your own dick. sure you MIGHT be able to do it. but everyone is gonna laugh at you whether you succeed or not


as for the low end of a sovtek, i agree, they have a ton of low end. but thats also why these kids don't know what the fuck they're talking about. i would personally never buy an amp for low end anyways. because that is what a bass player is for haha. theres no point in telling them they're wrong, its more of like having to give them a reason as to why theres no point in them being right.

if your son or daughter wanted to have premarital sex, you don't tell them no because they'll do it anyway. you give them a rubber and tell them to be safe.

[threevi]

funny story:

a friend of mine who plays guitar in a shitty bree bree "deathcore" band from hickory says "hey man do you think its a good idea if i sell both my marshall MG 100w amps and use the money to buy a 120w peavey 6505?"

my answer: "where the hell did you find a 6505 for 200 bucks?"

[moonmoon]

Apr 27, 2009 13:27:55 GMT -5 @threevi said:

funny story:

a friend of mine who plays guitar in a shitty bree bree "deathcore" band from hickory says "hey man do you think its a good idea if i sell both my marshall MG 100w amps and use the money to buy a 120w peavey 6505?"

my answer: "where the hell did you find a 6505 for 200 bucks?"

that is pretty funny. i know a guy who just bought an mg head for 300 something at sam ash new. it really bummed me out. what a rip off.

[rob]

the whole mig series has a lot of low end. I would prefer a 60h over the others .

[threevi]

i would love to know alot more about the sovtek mig series. because they are easy to get. what kind of tones have you gotten from them, cuz i was considering getting a mig 50 to run as a slave to my jcm 800, or the other way around, depending on my mood.

[ian geiger]

wilmington.craigslist.org/msg/1163932936.html

awesome deal on an awesome head

[justin]

sucks JCM800 heads are so much. I would love to find one that isn't $800-$1000.

[justin]

also, what are the difference between 1960A cabs and 1960 lead cabs?

[ian geiger]

they are the same thing. 1960a generally refers to slant, 1960b refers to straight. the majority of all marshall cabs use celestion g12-75's, but the older 70's models used 25w greenbacks, and i think some of the jcm900 model cabs used vintage 30's. theyre all the same basic build, 16/4 ohms mono/stereo, etc. etc.

and you wont find a working jcm800 for under 700 dollars, regardless of condition.

[joe]

800 - 1000 isnt a bad price to pay for a nice head

[justin]

May 10, 2009 17:30:17 GMT -5 ian geiger said:

they are the same thing. 1960a generally refers to slant, 1960b refers to straight. the majority of all marshall cabs use celestion g12-75's, but the older 70's models used 25w greenbacks, and i think some of the jcm900 model cabs used vintage 30's. theyre all the same basic build, 16/4 ohms mono/stereo, etc. etc.

and you wont find a working jcm800 for under 700 dollars, regardless of condition.

you need to leave your house.

[ian geiger]

May 10, 2009 23:22:46 GMT -5 justin said:

May 10, 2009 17:30:17 GMT -5 ian geiger said:

they are the same thing. 1960a generally refers to slant, 1960b refers to straight. the majority of all marshall cabs use celestion g12-75's, but the older 70's models used 25w greenbacks, and i think some of the jcm900 model cabs used vintage 30's. theyre all the same basic build, 16/4 ohms mono/stereo, etc. etc.

and you wont find a working jcm800 for under 700 dollars, regardless of condition.

you need to leave your house.

been at the beach everyday for the past 10 days

[justin]

May 10, 2009 23:56:46 GMT -5 ian geiger said:

May 10, 2009 23:22:46 GMT -5 justin said:

you need to leave your house.

been at the beach everyday for the past 10 days

haha. I was just saying that you have no life. I was just kidding though. Give me a call sometime, you bastard. Ha.

[mosherstomper]

I've always wanted to play a sovtek, or a sun. 2 of my friends just picked up vtms, i walked in to the practice space and jizzed

[threevi]

i finally followed suit and de-tolexed my marshall. i stained it with a natural stain so that it moreso matches the tan grillcloth used to decorate the front panel. i'll post pictures soon once it dries and gets a second coat of stain... possibly even a clear coat... i dunno about the clear coat though. any suggestions?

[threevi]

this picture makes my dick hurt

[brendan]

vtm 120 for 225 - worth it? i assume this will be louder than my lame xxx?