|
Post by max on Jan 10, 2012 17:57:53 GMT -5
or a peavey mace vt 160w from the 70's for $250
|
|
jimbo
jaded asshole
Posts: 1,524
|
Post by jimbo on Jan 10, 2012 19:37:48 GMT -5
or a peavey mace vt 160w from the 70's for $250 that vtm is waay better than a mace. thats a good deal. go for the vtm
|
|
|
Post by max on Jan 10, 2012 19:49:08 GMT -5
thanks for the info, im trying to get it now. you have a vtm right? is the 120 going to be noticeably louder than the 60?
|
|
jimbo
jaded asshole
Posts: 1,524
|
Post by jimbo on Jan 10, 2012 20:43:12 GMT -5
thanks for the info, im trying to get it now. you have a vtm right? is the 120 going to be noticeably louder than the 60? Yeah I've got a vtm 120. I had it running on 60 watts for like a year and now its at 120 watts. the change is minimal. remember - doubling the wattage on an amp only raises the volume by 3 db
|
|
|
Post by max on Jan 10, 2012 21:29:44 GMT -5
awesome thanks. i saw torch runner play a few months ago and im pretty sure one of the guitar players was playing out of one and i loved how it sounded
|
|
jimbo
jaded asshole
Posts: 1,524
|
Post by jimbo on Jan 10, 2012 21:37:37 GMT -5
awesome thanks. i saw torch runner play a few months ago and im pretty sure one of the guitar players was playing out of one and i loved how it sounded Yeah man I love mine. Get an electro-harmonix lpb-1 clean boost to boost the preamp, and you'll never need another amp for distortion. Clean is a bit more challenging, but thats how it goes with 1 channel amps
|
|
|
Post by max on Jan 10, 2012 23:32:11 GMT -5
interesting. ill check it out. that just boosts the signal after your pedals but before the amp?
and with that randall i pretty much only use one channel and to play cleaner stuff i just turn down the volume using my volume pedal and it gets cleaner pretty quick. hopefully i can grab this amp...the dude stopped responding to me today
|
|
|
Post by TerribleCj on Jan 11, 2012 3:35:02 GMT -5
Whoa now, the Mace is an extremely great amp. Your talking easily twice the volume of a VTM 60 and even way more than the 120. The VTM's are almost identical copies of the JCM 800 circuit. Albeit, there are differences, it was made to compete with the 800 series and does so in spades. Getting a really good sound out of them means trial and error with adjusting the little dip switches in the front of the amp. With a little patience, you should be able to pull any classic rock sound all the way up to brutal slayer-esqe JCM tones. Of course a good tubescreamer out front will bring a whole new life to those amps. Back to the Mace....This is the amp the made Lynyrd Skynyrd leave Marshall amps in the early 70's. Mine is a matching halfstack built in 71' that was once owned and used by Gary Rossington himself. There are youtube videos abound. They are great for overall volume and the cleans are so clean you could eat off em'. Also a killer built in phaser and reverb. Thse put out upwards of 200 watts (160 as advertised) through six 6L6 tubes!!! Massive tone but more for a classic rock sound ala skynyrd. Either way, either amp for less than 3 bills is a steal in my book
|
|
|
Post by max on Jan 11, 2012 12:21:32 GMT -5
interesting, thanks for the information. if the guy doesnt email me back about the vtm im going to go try out the mace
|
|
jimbo
jaded asshole
Posts: 1,524
|
Post by jimbo on Jan 11, 2012 17:36:17 GMT -5
Whoa now, the Mace is an extremely great amp. Your talking easily twice the volume of a VTM 60 and even way more than the 120. The VTM's are almost identical copies of the JCM 800 circuit. Albeit, there are differences, it was made to compete with the 800 series and does so in spades. Getting a really good sound out of them means trial and error with adjusting the little dip switches in the front of the amp. With a little patience, you should be able to pull any classic rock sound all the way up to brutal slayer-esqe JCM tones. Of course a good tubescreamer out front will bring a whole new life to those amps. Back to the Mace....This is the amp the made Lynyrd Skynyrd leave Marshall amps in the early 70's. Mine is a matching halfstack built in 71' that was once owned and used by Gary Rossington himself. There are youtube videos abound. They are great for overall volume and the cleans are so clean you could eat off em'. Also a killer built in phaser and reverb. Thse put out upwards of 200 watts (160 as advertised) through six 6L6 tubes!!! Massive tone but more for a classic rock sound ala skynyrd. Either way, either amp for less than 3 bills is a steal in my book Yeah I've played through a Mace combo. Sure its fucking loud and has great cleans but for hardcore I don't think its worth using at all. especially with that solid state preamp it has.
|
|
|
Post by TerribleCj on Jan 12, 2012 2:38:35 GMT -5
Just because something has a ss preamp (or power for that matter) doesnt mean it isnt good and useable. Where would Sunn be without the solid state preamp? No specific use was ever given for the amp so I was just weighing the highlights of each. While I do concur that the Mace isnt readily suited for hardcore, with the right pedal or even the right external preamp, the Mace becomes something much more than a "clean" amp. Also, at under 300 bucks both heads should turn profit if resold. For distorted, heavy rock sounds I would have to believe that the VTM would be more suitable "out of the box"...I try to point out the good qualities of any amp I come across and not shoot down amps systematically. Being involved with so damn many amplifiers and guitars over the years will get you kinda "tube crazy" after a while...
|
|
mAx
seeker of the truth
Posts: 282
|
Post by mAx on Jan 12, 2012 14:06:43 GMT -5
|
|
jimbo
jaded asshole
Posts: 1,524
|
Post by jimbo on Jan 12, 2012 21:52:40 GMT -5
Just because something has a ss preamp (or power for that matter) doesnt mean it isnt good and useable. Where would Sunn be without the solid state preamp? No specific use was ever given for the amp so I was just weighing the highlights of each. While I do concur that the Mace isnt readily suited for hardcore, with the right pedal or even the right external preamp, the Mace becomes something much more than a "clean" amp. Also, at under 300 bucks both heads should turn profit if resold. For distorted, heavy rock sounds I would have to believe that the VTM would be more suitable "out of the box"...I try to point out the good qualities of any amp I come across and not shoot down amps systematically. Being involved with so damn many amplifiers and guitars over the years will get you kinda "tube crazy" after a while... Yeah man I wasn't trying to put it down, just giving my opinion that the vtm was a better bet for him
|
|
Parker
seeker of the truth
Posts: 425
|
Post by Parker on Jan 13, 2012 8:41:50 GMT -5
|
|
ian geiger
jaded asshole
How about that haircut?
Posts: 1,335
|
Post by ian geiger on Jan 14, 2012 0:47:28 GMT -5
thats an expensive piece of dogshit
hopefully it means hes giving you $250 to keep the cursed artifact away from him
|
|
jimbo
jaded asshole
Posts: 1,524
|
Post by jimbo on Jan 14, 2012 16:09:00 GMT -5
interesting, thanks for the information. if the guy doesnt email me back about the vtm im going to go try out the mace Not sure if you'd be into this or not but I'm looking to sell my vtm 120 for $300. Thats how much I bought it for (from Levi). I just had it completely retubed and had a filter cap that failed replaced ($120). The others will need to be replaced too fairly soon - which is true for most vintage tube amps, but still something you should know. also its missing the front plate so you can see the tubes - when I bought it it had a piece of plexiglass there but it broke when I took it off to get it retubed. I could throw in the lpb-1 clean boost I use to boost the front end as well if you want.
|
|
|
Post by max on Jan 15, 2012 21:42:46 GMT -5
yeah i am interested. the dude just stopped emailing me back but his ad is still up online. thats a little bit more than im looking to spend right now...but i am interested. might have to just buy every amp you use when you are done with it
|
|
|
Post by max on Jan 18, 2012 9:42:08 GMT -5
james, i emailed you
|
|
jimbo
jaded asshole
Posts: 1,524
|
Post by jimbo on Jan 18, 2012 18:05:05 GMT -5
|
|
Parker
seeker of the truth
Posts: 425
|
Post by Parker on Jan 19, 2012 8:38:51 GMT -5
ATNN JOSHJOSHJOSHMOSH:
I hate that my Concert lead has a footswitch to activate distortion. Has anyone had experience shorting an rca cable to always include distortion in my loop? I've done research but I'm weary about it, still. Any help/amp-electrical circuitry knowledge would be appreciated.
|
|
|
Post by max on Jan 19, 2012 21:59:48 GMT -5
someone give me recommendations for a good eq pedal
|
|
|
Post by iishxc on Jan 20, 2012 0:11:58 GMT -5
The older blue cased MXR Ten Band Graphic Equalizers rule
|
|
|
Post by TerribleCj on Jan 20, 2012 3:25:19 GMT -5
yes, the MXR is good. If you cant find the old one, the newer "KFK" Kerry King Eq has 10 bands as well and is pretty much the same unit. Boss Ge-7 is ok but 10 bands is way better than just the 7.
|
|
|
Post by TerribleCj on Jan 20, 2012 3:50:56 GMT -5
About the concert lead...In the older ones with the "L" and "R" rca style jacks, the "L" jack can be shorted to ground with a regular rca plug that is cut to use as a ground and that should turn on the distortion knob in front (the "R" should activate the boost). I know there are aftermarket footswitches that you can get for them that arent too crazy expensive.
|
|
|
Post by rob on Jan 20, 2012 6:56:11 GMT -5
About the concert lead...In the older ones with the "L" and "R" rca style jacks, the "L" jack can be shorted to ground with a regular rca plug that is cut to use as a ground and that should turn on the distortion knob in front (the "R" should activate the boost). I know there are aftermarket footswitches that you can get for them that arent too crazy expensive. this is right, but having had one with the distortion on, I would say it's better sounding with the amp cranked, into a blown out cabinet, with a rat/whatever distortion you like in front of it. I honestly like the sound of solid state amps that are being pushed though, so who knows what you're looking for.
|
|
Parker
seeker of the truth
Posts: 425
|
Post by Parker on Jan 20, 2012 8:10:18 GMT -5
Could I short both of them? (not that it needs a boost, just curious)
and yeah, Fender still makes RCA footswitches, it's just a pain to lug around
And regarding the MXR, I like mine, but I don't use it anymore. As far as the KK edition: to my knowledge it's the exact same as the regular 10 band eq one but with additional gain (not necessary, in my opinion). I ran mine with the level on 10 and gain on 0--just as a natural boost and eq. Just something to keep in mind since it's a little cheaper.
|
|
|
Post by TerribleCj on Jan 20, 2012 11:57:57 GMT -5
Yes, you can short both of them. I always recommend or at least mention the kfk eq because of the price point and overall performance. Besides, it's tried and true
|
|
|
Post by max on Jan 20, 2012 13:31:15 GMT -5
thanks for the recommendations. i havent ever used an eq pedal before, so im going to check these out and hopefully find a good deal. where in your fx chain do you put them?
|
|
|
Post by TerribleCj on Jan 20, 2012 13:59:49 GMT -5
If you use distortion pedals, you would put it after that and in front of the amp input so that you can adjust the eq of your distorted sound. If you have an effects loop, you can use the eq to change how the amp sounds at all times regardless of effects out front. You can use the eq as it is intended...an eq, or as a boost pedal for tube amps. I've done both with good results.
|
|
Parker
seeker of the truth
Posts: 425
|
Post by Parker on Jan 27, 2012 8:25:52 GMT -5
Shorted plugs worked. This is so much better than a footswitch. That was almost too easy...
|
|